6.28.2011

Chinese Netizens Discuss Blasian Relationships

First of all, I strongly dislike ChinaSmack. I know a lot of non-Chinese people, both inside and outside China, seem to enjoy visiting that website but let's just say that I am not comfortable with the kind of 'news' that ChinaSmack brings to the English speaking parts of the interwebs. Note that I'm not saying that they are doing anything wrong.

Now, I will put my personal biases aside and examine the latest post on ChinaSmack that focuses on the topic of Black and Chinese relationships. I've written on this topic before when the case of Chinese netizens being racist against Lou Jing, a young woman with African-American and Chinese heritage, who appeared on a talent show made international news and drew the whole world's attention to racism in China. I was surprised at the kind of attention leveled on Lou Jing and would have found conversations more helpful if they didn't fall into the 'you know Chinese people are inherently racist, it's from their history and culture to hate Black people' meme. This totally ignores, or absolves, anti-Black racism from other corners of world.

I was spending overtime online when I came across this; "Chinese Men With Black & African Wives". Before proceeding, some information on what ChinaSmack does;
"chinaSMACK offers non-Chinese readers an insight into the world's largest internet market by translating and reporting popular Chinese internet news, trends, and phenomena as well as Chinese netizen comments, opinions, and reactions." (Read more...)
The most recent post selected for translation from Tianya starts with the OP showing pictures of Chinese men with African women and inviting discussion. I've made screenshots!

Source: ChinaSmack

A selection of pictures uploaded by the OP:

Source: ChinaSmack

Source: ChinaSmack

A cross-section of comments in reply to the OP that were translated into English for ChinaSmack:

Note: MM refers to a young lady (Source: ChinaSmack)

On ChinaSmack the article managed to get almost 300 comments and a trackback from a racist website. I went through the comments and a lot of them were focusing on how racist the Chinese netizens comments are while conveniently ignoring the offensive commentary in their midst (for example, a few comments felt the need to state their preference for African women over African-American women). This seems to be the usual.

Incidentally, almost as soon as I left ChinaSmack, I came across yet another post on the same topic from LoveLoveChina's 'Ask A Chinese Girl' series. The initial question asked was 'Would a Chinese girl date a Black guy' but for several reasons the question posed to Chinese netizens was "Can you imagine yourself dating a Black person?"

A cross-section of answers to the question, "Can you imagine yourself dating a Black person?":

Source: LoveLoveChina

Source: LoveLoveChina

Apparently, we hardly hear views on Blasian relationships from the non-Western voices and when I come across them from sites like the ones above, things almost always dissolve into epic failures. Should we even care what a couple of Chinese netizens have to say?

30 comments:

  1. Apparently, we hardly hear views on Blasian relationships from the non-Western voices and when I come across them from sites like the ones above, things almost always dissolve into epic failures. Should we even care what a couple of Chinese netizens have to say?

    Honestly, I say no. We shouldn't.

    These men snagged themselves some beautiful women, they're happy, they're living their lives, and that should be the focus of netizen discussion. They should be asking how these people met, what dating was like, how their families get along, and what their plans are for the future.

    You know...mature, rational, grown-up questions.

    But they're not and when they're not, they act out instead, a classic sign of feeling threatened.

    I'm really glad you did this piece because when leoprincess emailed me a similar article, I had to just nod and smile. This is precisely what we've saying all along about the global possibilies and implications of BW/AM.

    Check...mate.

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  2. *we've been saying

    *global possibilities

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  3. LOL I was just writing a post for this on my blog. The article has now spread to sites like Clutch magazine and Beyond Black and White. Granted there are some rather nasty comments coming from the original thread and the chinaSMACK one about blacks, but now black women are using it as "see I told you you shouldn't date Asian men!" ammo as well. Sigh.

    The original poster is also a bit confused now. The thread started with Chinese men and African women, then moved to any Asian men with any black women to now Asian men with white women. Sigh again.

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  4. Of course not. Racism is everywhere and is going to BE everywhere no matter what. Of course more people are realizing that racism is wrong but there will always be those people that will continue to be racist, but hey, that's just life.

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  5. "Maybe once or twice, but a serious relationship with a black person is impossible." Um. WTF. And I could honestly care less what a few Chinese people think of us black women. Interestingly enough, I have two Chinese (male) friends, who are both around my age group, and both attractive, but couldn't have more opposing views on dating outside their race. On one end is the one closer to me, Ke. Ke honestly thinks that black women are gorgeous and he hates dating Asian women because they are so "typical" and "boring". On the other end is Jie, who WILL NOT date a black woman.

    Now keep in mind, he WILL date white women. He has dated a few in the time I've known him.

    But it bothered me a bit, so I flat out asked him why he would never date a black woman and it's because he said, quote: "My family would kill me." I've come to see that a LOT of Asian men come under fire for being "racist" when really, a few of them are semi-cowardly. I got suckerpunched in the face with that BS from my now ex boyfriend who was just too scared to stand up to his folks and tell them about us, even though we'd been dating for almost five months.

    But it does make me sad to see how some of the reactions of these Chinese people think. ESPECIALLY the asshat who made that crack about white teeth shining in the dark and that's all you'll be able to see. Oh boy.

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  6. @ Melmick

    Of course more people are realizing that racism is wrong but there will always be those people that will continue to be racist, but hey, that's just life.

    So what's your solution/tactic/tip for fighting it?

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  7. Well I do care because it is this kind of behaviour that encourages others to be racist to black women.

    I'm Nigerian, and after being with this Japanese guy all summer he turns around and tells me that I'm ugly and he can't be with me because the other Japanese in our school disapprove and that he is ashamed that he had sex with me and that if his family found out about me they would never be able to live down the shame.

    This is someone I genuinely loved and would have done anything for.

    Yeah, but I care because I know how fucking hurt I was when he said all that and I feel like what he said comes from the same place that the comments on ChinaSmack do.

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  8. Yeah, but I care because I know how fucking hurt I was when he said all that and I feel like what he said comes from the same place that the comments on ChinaSmack do.

    It's one thing to be upfront and say you will not date black people and then follow through with that sentiment. Because at least then, people know where you stand.

    But dating one and then pulling that needs-to-be-stabbed-in-the-face shit your ex pulled is a whole different ball game. Talk about a cautionary tale.

    I can imagine how hurt you were, and I absolutely feel you. I've seen your pic, you are absolutely lovely, you totally deserve better, and your ex deserves to rot in hell for that. 'Cause that was some next-level bullshit right there.

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  9. @ Sugabelly that sounds awful D: Screw that guy.

    Those racist people on ChinaSmack sound pressed like a waffle iron. I imagine some of those people are mad that they aren't as beautiful or because they can't snag someone as beautiful? Those women are gorgeous.

    @ Melmick, your attitude towards this worries me...

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  10. @Ankh

    These men snagged themselves some beautiful women, they're happy, they're living their lives, and that should be the focus of netizen discussion. They should be asking how these people met, what dating was like, how their families get along, and what their plans are for the future.

    Exactly! To be honest, I'm not sure I can take ChinaSmack's selection of comments as netizens may have asked mature, grown-up questions that were looked over in favour of the more sensational stuff.

    @ShaSha

    I hope you still write that post, I'd like to read it! I've seen the article on Clutch magazine and I've also written another post on the same topic in reaction...I'll check out Beyond Black and White.

    Granted there are some rather nasty comments coming from the original thread and the chinaSMACK one about blacks, but now black women are using it as "see I told you you shouldn't date Asian men!" ammo as well

    I really detest this mentality and it seems to pop up every time Asian racism against Blacks comes up and it is always tied up to Asian culture. This never fails to boggle my mind.

    The original poster is also a bit confused now. The thread started with Chinese men and African women, then moved to any Asian men with any black women to now Asian men with white women.

    See how this effectively removed Black women from the discussion. I can't even begin to understand.

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  11. @Melmick

    There are different kinds of racism, the one we are seeing here seems to be borne out of ignorance and lack of knowledge and interaction with Black people.

    @Kurosune-hime

    Excellent commentary! I've had Chinese friends who are a bit like Jie, they never come out to say they wouldn't date a Black woman but I don't see them dating white women. I also have Black female friends that have had Chinese men break up with them due to familial pressure. I agree with you when you say that this so-called racist behaviour is actually semi-cowardly.

    But it does make me sad to see how some of the reactions of these Chinese people think.

    Compared to netizen reactions to Lou Jing, these comments can safely be called 'child's play. I think the difference in Lou Jing's case was that it was her mother that was Chinese and her father was not in the picture. Both reactions are just as racist.

    @Sugabelly

    ~hugs~ That guy was not worth your time. Like Kurosune-hime said above, such guys are cowards hiding behind their ill-chosen cloak of racism. I also believe his comments come from the same place racist Chinese netizen comments come from.

    @The Girl In Question

    Apparently the positive comments below the piece on ChinaSmack came from Chinese women. I feel there must be some envy involved in the equation. I don't even know.

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  12. @eccentricyoruba

    I typically hate the "oh they're saying mean things because they're jealous" excuse, but I usually feel that way about situations like these.

    When women are against black women dating outside their race (and not a specific black woman who is dating someone they're dating/interested in mind you, just black women dating outside their race in general), I find that there is jealousy involved. I do know there are plenty of women who could care less, though.

    I joke that the men on that website are just mad because they can't get decent women, but I really have no clue about that. I just assume most rude men who go around making hateful comments on the internet can't get dates to be honest. Lol.

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  13. "*We've been saying..
    * Global possibilities..

    Wow.. I remembered you guys predicting how Blasian couples was going to be on the rise and especially, being that way in Africa in 2050 and it's coming to light. It seems that time is further repeating itself.

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  14. I'm sorry what took place with you and I agree with the rest of the ladies on here. If your ex wasn't into Black women, he should have let you known that from the get-go, instead of leading you on like that.

    Don't let him tell you that you're not ugly, you a very beautiful woman and it's very apparent that you can do far better than him. It may be painful right now,but in due time, it will pass and you'll be proud of yourself knowing that blessed not being with him.

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  15. @sugabelly: Im sorry you had to go through that ordeal...its just hard to find a good man period...that are strong enough to tell the world "fuck off" =/

    You do have a right to care, and I'm
    not gonna bother to read the comments because I learned the internet is just a breeding pool for hateful ignorant people who don't have the balls to be like that in real life. And for the people that do crap like this in real life? They'll get their day..they always do (im living proof of that..on the non recieving end ofcourse)

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  16. I find it funny how dumb these Chinese people(the racist/prejudice ones) are if only they knew that they are half African according to DNA. They came from Africans. And so did Koreans(I believe I saw this on youtube they are half South East Asian and Half African.) But for sure the Chinese did come from Black People. Oh how I wish they knew, I would love to see their responses/faces.

    @SugaBelly I'm very sorry that happened to you.

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  17. @SugaBelly I feel for you, girl...Seems that guy decided to go about dating you in "the chickenshit way." Like Kurosume-hime said, some Asian men are semi-cowardly.
    I've faced a similar thing with a Chinese guy. He would flirt with me when he thought no one we knew was listening, but once my White girl friend walked in, he would proclaim loud nonsense like, "Oh, you are so sexy! You seduce me!"
    @Kurosune-hime: I STILL want to punch your ex in the face! If only we can find Asian men who can escape the death grip of their mothers long enough to make relationship decisions on their own...

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  18. @Sugabelly: I've been right there with you. Weak man + parents racist against black people= heartbreak. That happened to me with my 4 year relationship with a South Asian guy. His parents kept hoping that I'd just disappear and when I didn't they made an ultimatum. Then in the following years the same type of parental intervention happened with a Greek guy and a Lebanese guy but in those cases it was a matter of months because I didn't want to waste my time and energy on finding out someone is weak. The funny thing is that you can ask these dudes about this issue multiple times starting on the first date and they'll be like "No my parents are okay with black girls, it'll be fine". Then you get a lame excuse breakup coincidentally right after they have dinner with the parents. It's very hard to screen these guys out. The man I married is Taiwanese and he didn't care what his parent's thought about my race so whatever little fuss they put up ended quickly because they figured out it wasn't going to change anything.
    So I know where you're coming from and I agree that this anti black toxic cloud that covers the earth like a volcanic ash cloud does contribute to this phenomenon. However, a side benefit is that is screens out weaker men who find it easier not to think for themselves.

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  19. @SugaBelly: Fuck that motherfucker! You will heal and you will get over that rat bastard and find someone else. He's a punk-ass bitch and he won't ever be happy if he tries to live the life his parents want. He will regret hurting you and I bet that he will be calling you again. When he does, tell his bitch-ass to let the doorknob hit him where the good Lord split him and keep it moving. I loathe weak men.

    *big fat hug*

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  20. I typically hate the "oh they're saying mean things because they're jealous" excuse, but I usually feel that way about situations like these.

    That's because "jealousy" really is the perfect term here.

    Think about it. For centuries, we've listened to people drone on and on about the backwardness of Africa, the ugliness of dark skin, the inferiority of curly hair, blah, blah, blah, and now - unsurprisingly - the black woman is back in demand. And we're in demand without hype, without thousands of films, magazines, commercials, and runways doing their damndest to convince viewers we're desirable.

    We are desirable..just 'cause.

    Despite centuries of propaganda against us, the menfolk still can't stay away. And some folks will find this damn threatening because it means there's nothing left to do us. Seriously, what's next? I mean, we've been killed, colonized, enslaved, abused, decreed aesthetically inferior for ages, and predominantly excluded from positive media, but...ta-da! We're still here and fabulous to boot.

    Who else can make that claim? And how well are they going to fare when the hype that's been carrying them inevitably runs out? No, seriously?

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    1. actually, from 1950-1980, Africa was praised by chairman Mao, and he preached Asian-African solidarity. he made it a point to GIVE all of China's extra food to Africa. you will never hear about this in the controlled media.

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    2. Is the black woman truly in demand now??

      All I see is negativity towards black women especially from black men.

      Youtube videos, articles, commentary, studies, statistics, stereotypes, if they involve black women it's all 100% negativity and hate.

      I want to believe we're desirable but the only black people I see dating interracially on a regular basis is black men.

      It's hard seperating the hate from reality, fact from opinion, an what's true and isn't true about black women...

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    3. I'm not a troll. I'm just a black girl from the Southside of Chicago.

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    4. Lana, think of it this way.

      When America goes out of its way to make you look bad, chances are, you're doing something right.

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  21. @EccentricYoruba
    Should we even care what a couple of Chinese netizens have to say?

    Actually, no. What would be the point? Haters and morons are universally so and don't deserve the benefit of our attention.

    @Sugabelly
    I'm Nigerian, and after being with this Japanese guy all summer he turns around and tells me that I'm ugly and he can't be with me because the other Japanese in our school disapprove and that he is ashamed that he had sex with me and that if his family found out about me they would never be able to live down the shame.

    He needs his ass kicked and good. I have two questions. Was this moron a hyphenated Japanese like a Japanese-American or was he from Japan? If he was from SexistNation, exactly where did he originate? From what various Japanese men tell me only one group of Not-Quite-Japanese-Japanese would have played it this stupid. His family would never live down the shame? That's laughable! Ashamed that he had sex with you? He isn't a man either. *rolls eyes*

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    1. that's assuming that those netizens are even Chinese. the whole site of China smack holds completely negative opinions about China. how do we know that the comments were even made by real Chinese? anyone can go on the internet claiming to be Chinese. also, the internet was invented by the u.s military, and there is no reason for the internet to exist if it didnt serve the purpose to attack its enemies. if you do enough research into the topic, you will know that the u.s govt hires trolls, using proxies, taking on all sorts of personalities, to make tons of comments, making its enemies look bad. there are software corporations located throughout america that make persona management, creating fake profiles complete with a biography, making the person look real and consistent. each troll operates up to 10 different identities. one of the corporations is called ntrepid. generally speaking, the more western influence a country has, the more racist it becomes. just compare mainland China, to the u.s pupet state of taiwan. theyre both Chinese, but why is taiwan so much more racist than the mainland? why is japan so much more racist than China? China was paradise for black people during the 1960s under Mao. you see how the white man tries to make Mao look bad, but in reality, he was a hero, and all the black power leaders will tell you this. all the Chinese farmers loved Mao, because he was for equality. rich white americans hate equality.

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  22. I also find it interesting that the general reaction among Chinese Nationalist Netizens to foreigners (regardless of race) marrying Chinese women is one of disgust, like they are stealing China's precious resources. But they don't seem to think twice about dating, and then throwing away black women when Chinese are abroad! They are just as bad as the white men they love to complain about dating their women... actually, even worse, because they openly admit they will just date a black women a few times and then dump them, at least the white men have the intent to marry the Chinese women!

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  23. China smack is foundation funded. it's a site made by white people that want to make China look bad. there are about 50 other sites that serve the same purpose. i wouldnt believe anything they say. the white ruling class know that if people were given a choice, they would choose China over any white country, therefore, they are trying to keep one step ahead of the people, and defame China in any way they can, even if it means lying through their teeth

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