2.23.2012

Like I was Saying.... (Updated)

I'm going to burn in hell for this one.


For those of you who are too young to know/remember/care about the original:


Pop Quiz: What do these two vids have in common? Here's a hint:

165 comments:

  1. 1) Pop quiz - what do these two vids have in common?

    2) Man...that girl is wonky-lookin'.

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  2. The only thing I could think was "RUN WHITE GIRL RUN!!". Sadly I was a fan of GD and TOP but this is just... no.

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  3. Wow...POp Quiz Answer:
    Two music videos shot in Brooklyn and you don't see a Black person...smh Not even a Hasidic Jew. Smh this makes me frustrated, especially because I'm from NY.

    BTW the NKOTB video brought me back just a bit

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    1. THANK YOU! Not one black person to be found! My gosh big bang! come on man smh...

      I mean I remember seeing the casting info for this :http://www.bigbangupdates.com/2012/02/yg-interview-big-bang-is-six-teams-and.html
      and I thought when they said interesting, they meant like other nationalities or other styles, but of course nope....

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    2. lol! Wow! I'm from New York. Brooklyn has a large West Indian/African community as well(The West Indian Day Parade is amazing!).My friend in High-School loved her some Jordan from NKOTB! This takes me back!

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    3. I read somewhere that there was a black version made of the NKOTB video, but fans were outraged (no need to guess what kind of fans). So it got remade with this version.

      Since I was a wee child in their heyday, and they weren't news here, I never learned that until two years ago. Either way, it's clear which audience they were trying to fellate..er..attract.

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    4. smh Not even a Hasidic Jew.

      *dead*

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  4. LOL at both videos. I've read on a couple other sites that a lot of Korean fangirls were upset about the white girl in the video. Some white girls were also upset that she wasn't pretty enough. Lol. I'm not mad at Big Bang for doing what they need to do to appeal to a wider audience. The formula is to add white girls (the same way hip hop artist needed to add racially ambiguous looking girls to appeal to a larger white audience.) who kpop really needs if they "make it" in America. With that said I hope they don't alienate their core audience, which will always be Asia.

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    1. *Asian
      And BTW I actually really like the song. OP do you plan to not support Big Bang anymore. I get the impression that they are not well liked around here but then again I am new so I don't know.

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  5. 1) Pop quiz - what do these two vids have in common?

    Terrible fashion and hairstyles? Bad at acting and trying too hard look "cute?" Mediocre singing and dancing skills? Both have a bad habit of cultural appropriation yet won't acknowledge it?

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    1. Bingo ShaSha! I'm not a big fan of K-Pop. The music just doesn't move me in any way (Not soulful enough for my taste) I do like Rain, Se7en and Jay Park. The rest of then are 'Swagga Jackers'.

      "With that said I hope they don't alienate their core audience, which will always be Asia."

      Interesting comment above ^^

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    2. I have a strange feeling a few trolls pretending to be black women will be popping up on the narrative now that you've posted these clips Ankh! lol *Looks into crystal ball*

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    3. Can anybody smell a lawsuit coming?

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    4. Shasha,

      I was going to comment about the hair also. Those colors don't look good on them whatsoever.

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    5. @Nicole My troll senses are tingling as well.

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  6. BB at least had a closed set for the MV. NKOTB video had a "oh crap" camera change whenever Black or Brown got into the camera lens frame, even for a split second.

    There was also the typical look back/look away dynamic that is a sappy romantic exchange that doesn't come off as natural in these two videos.

    In BB video, the one with the moewhawk + bandana (sorry not really into K-pop) looks like on a few scenes he really wants to move and dance but contains himself to a sudden sharp movement then back to being stagnant.

    Both also have every little physical interaction with the female leads, no romantic flashbacks of diners or dates, just a searching kind of feel which makes sense with the song lyrics (NKOTB) but translates into a very boring video.

    @Ankhesen Mié
    You will be in good company because I LOL at the video :).

    @Nicole
    I wonder why trols will come out for this video, but you know this site better than me so *shrugs*

    @M
    I'm with star, why the lawsuit?

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    1. *very little not every little

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    2. @deedee- Just a feeling. Whenever women in K-Pop videos are discussed a few (Trolls) have popped up, Like the one named "LM".They usually vanish quickly.

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    3. In BB video, the one with the moewhawk + bandana (sorry not really into K-pop) looks like on a few scenes he really wants to move and dance but contains himself to a sudden sharp movement then back to being stagnant.

      lol That's Taeyang. He's a dancing machine.

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    4. DeeDee and Star

      Some of lyrics sounds too coincidental to NKOTB's song.Whether they win or lose,some people have taken people to court over stuff like this because they see it as plagarism or close to it. Maybe, BB gave them some credit for using it, I don't know.For their sakes,I hope that they did.The only thing their management better hope is that one of NKOTB old members aren't listening to it and/or won't accuse them of doing it.

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    5. BB at least had a closed set for the MV. NKOTB video had a "oh crap" camera change whenever Black or Brown got into the camera lens frame, even for a split second.

      Yes!!! Noticed it!!!!

      And this way, if accused of not incorporating POC, they can always say, "Yeah, we did! There are POC in our vids!"

      This right here is an excellent example of progress - or should I say, the glaring lack of. Did anyone else notice that these videos are twenty-three years apart?????

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  7. Another offended NY'er here. Screw these cheap NYC fantasies. NYC would eat them alive and spit them out crying.

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  8. Musing on my pop quiz:

    1) See above for additional video hint.

    2) It's NYC...with no POC.

    3) Non-Black boys using Black swag and Black-inspired music while avoiding Black people at all costs in their vids.

    4) I'm with the white girls on this one. Out of all the girls who auditioned, THAT was the best white chick they could find? I smell a setup.

    I mean...what happened to the voluptuous white chick TOP had in his video? How come what was good enough for him wasn't shared with the group?

    5) NKOTB was a white-washed New Edition and everybody knew it. They didn't have nearly the talent of NE, who were in turn obviously inspired by the Jackson 5. Negroes, Negroes, Negroes, and more Negroes yet again.

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    1. They also have Maurice Starr in common. He discovered New Edition at a talent show and managed them for a while. Once he and New Edition parted ways, he created NKOTB. Starr knew that black R&B sung by white kids would make millions. He even said that if NE had been white, they would have been more successful.

      I don't know why TOP got the better white women in his video. He definitely doesn't share because the ones in GD&TOP videos High High and Knock Out, were nothing to write home about and white fans couldn't praise them enough. The ones in the Knock Out video looked horrifically thin and heavily drugged.

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    2. Maurice Starr was the Usher of his day.

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  9. The white girl had to be mediocre looking. She can't look better than an Asian chick. That would be a huge problem.

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  10. Gosh! how did I overlook NE's video like that? Those were the good days. When NE came out, everybody wanted to emulate them. I also with you about that White girl in that video. Wow...what can I say?

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  11. I find the whole K-Pop coming to the US to win a white audience completely laughable. It ain't gonna happen.

    Here's what will happen, however.

    K-Pop has a white female fanbase. They're willing to pay for K-Pop. So (white) America will let these artists come over every so often, cast white girls and boys in their videos and foster that hunger/interest in K-Pop. Suddenly, you'll find white female popstars singing in Korean, and traveling back to S. Korea to peddle their whiteness - along with the S. Koreans' own music - back to S. Koreans.

    We'll also see a new surge in white male boy bands, also very likely singing Korean as well, while rapping and rocking some abs. They will put girls of all colors in their videos. And it'll drive all the American and Korean girls wild.

    And thus, using the Koreans' own white obsession against them, America will co-opt the K-Pop industry, make it all about white people, and walk off billionaires in the process...very likely putting the original K-Pop industry out of business.

    We've already seen it with how white America feels the need to "remake" successful films from Asia. Music is only the next logical step.

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    1. Speaking of the all white boy band...I was on Asian Junkie looking back at some other articles and found this one- http://www.asianjunkie.com/2011/10/maximum-trolling-why-i-love-heart2heart/

      Basically it's a group called Heart2Heart who is trolling Kpop in this video called Face Book Official- Here's the video-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt4AWNui9bg&feature=player_embedded

      "Heart2Heart is a new American pop group. A five member boy band consisting of Chad Future (Leader), Nico, Pretty Boi Pete, Brayden and KX. Music Videos are Directed by Chad Future/David Lehre & All choreography is led by KX. The group is managed by Nick Reed for Vendetta Studios and Mentored by Lance Bass of N*SYNC.

      Heart2Heart music is produced by Chad Future and Space Jet. Mix engineering by Chris Trevett (Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys) and Mastering by Tom Coyne (BigBang, 2NE1).

      Their group name stands for the connection they would like to have with their fans across the world."

      So it looks like it's own its way.

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    2. I also think white America will expose Korea's racism. We all know that white people love talking about how racist others are, while ignoring their own.

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    3. Correction: "Looks likes it's on it's way." I LOL when I read the article and apparently Kpop fans were not happy.

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    4. Ok. I watched the video for 'dem white boys, and I spit my juice out! They cannot be serious?!!!! It looks like a Saturday Night Live skit!! This cannot be real!

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    5. I thought that they were mocking kpop? Are trying to tell me they were for real? Lol. Ankhesen, I don't think kpop will make it that far into white America. So white people co opting the kpop industry aint gonna happen. White people just aint feeling kpop like that. They have some white fans but for the most part white people don't feel the same way about Koreans as Koreans feel about them.

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    6. They might be an actual music group and decided to do a Weird Al Yankovic(for those of you old enough to know who he is.)

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/07/lance-bass-boy-band-heart2heart-facebook-official_n_1000615.html

      And so you have the video FB Official mocking Kpop. As Asian Junkie said:

      "So basically, K-pop fans are now seeing K-pop done by an American group using the English language, and that group is showing them how fucking ridiculous the quirks of K-pop can be, basically baiting fans into flaming their own oppas and unnies by making them hate Heart2Heart."

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    7. Thanks Meanie. I figured that. I watched the video a second time and realized they were "trolling" video-style. The video was really funny.I was reading some of the comments on the video. Fangirls aren't too pleased. lol

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    8. Ankh,

      I'll give it 10 years and it will be a thing of the past.

      Jean-bee has an excellent point. If( and I mean a BIGGG if!) Kpop becomes an international sensation, all that racism that has been discussed about Korea will surely be used against them and the American music industry are getting ready each day in planning their strategy in doing it. In my humble opinion, they do not know how the American system of things works and they will get robbed as a end result of it. That will be a sure promise. What a "good "way of getting your competition out of the way.

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    9. Nicole,

      I had to laugh at that.

      Jean bee,

      If this happens, the kpop industry cannot say that they weren't warned about it.

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    10. Scrise....

      I barely survived the late 1990s bubblegum pop/boy and girl band rash. I can't live through another flare-up. >_<

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    11. Leo Princess,

      Me either.

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    12. It won't be bubblegum, though, and it won't be aimed at the younger female audiences.

      They'll be more like Rain this time around, stripping and sweating on stage, grinding up against poles and dancing with booty-popping divas.

      There will be none of that pure, virginal, only-for-you nonsense and thus they will make millions.

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  12. @ Meanie

    *DEAD*

    @ jean-bee

    Yeah...but Negroes in particular will turn around and keep focusing on white racism.

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  13. It will be like robbing the robber who stole from black people, but then again the racist k-pop fans will know how we feel.

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  14. LMAO I may be jumping the gun I told everyone in a previous blog that BIGBANG’s new video would be a snow parade of white worship. Pure comedy indeed. I wonder what all the naysayers are doing? I would be hiding out. Once again the negro man and woman has been overlooked and bypassed by people who claim to worship them… when negro peoples begin to stand for self , support self and do for self and most important of all love thyself we will begin to do great things again. But until then when you ( meaning "house cassies"- an awesome term learned on here, and the "I wish I were Asian/ anything but black folks) worship others and downgraded yourself worth they will continue to kick the dust upon your shoes and move on. In these times the negro is seen as nothing but a dollar bill in the k-pop industry and any other industry they do not own. - I was in my black history month moment. Pease excuse me y'all are going to make me get a blog going LMAO ( I posted this on a tumblr page)

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    1. This video is nothing compared to the one they just released for their single "Bad Boy" almost died laughing, it's a good a good enough song for me to steal it because I refused to buy anymore their stuff.

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    2. No idea how I ended up typing "a good" twice and that "it" is so unnecessary. Sorry.

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    3. LMAO THEY GET NO PESOS. That's why I love me some Bi Rain and Se7en!

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  15. http://youtu.be/ka9SYs-2R7E ---> is this a coincidence or am I going mad?

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  16. I watched the Heart2Heart video as well and um, WHAT WAS THAT?! The ones who thought that was a good idea needs to be slapped, smh. Anyway I think that the K pop companies should look at reaction videos on YouTube of American non Kpop fans just to see if they would be accepted in the US, only then will they truly understand that they have some work to do in order to fix what is clearly broken.

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    1. Americans reactions to Kpop music videos is what I meant.

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  17. And this is why I would argue that New Edition is probably the greatest boy band of all time. All six members went on to have successful careers post NE which is something I don't think any other boy band can claim.

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    1. Not to mention they're music was sooooo much better than what followed.

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    2. and I agree with this argument
      Not only did New Edition all have success as solo artist and subgroups but they had a huge influence on American Pop music most of which is falsely credited to NKOTB. They are also the last great group to dance with mic stands.

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  18. Jackson 5 was the greatest boy band of all time. NE most def second though.

    AC

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    1. Absolutely, in terms of boy band history.

      However, Neo - I'm guessing - is referring to the brand of boy band we've seen over the last 30 years. Five guys, no instruments, all dancers, cute, semi-equal time in the spotlight, etc. These were groups which young girls liked, but their parents generally ignored; unlike with the J5, whom everybody loved.

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  19. On a side note, have you guys seen this?:

    http://www.asianjunkie.com/2012/02/mbc-uploads-clip-of-quiz-to-change-the-world-featuring-blackface-nobody-is-amused/

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    1. I just saw it Cece. Folks are going off on youtube!

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    2. @Cece

      Just watched it and..it cannot be excused. IATFB hits the nail on the head of how the allusion to the 50s cartoon seems a poor excuse since they are wearing clothing that are associated (stereotyped) with Black celebrities rather than clothes that more closely resemble the character from Dooly The Little Dinosaur. It was just a modern day minstrel show.

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    3. There's been an update on this story. A faux-pology has been offered to netizens:

      http://omonatheydidnt.livejournal.com/8616165.html

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  20. Goes to show you how little I know or care about this genre. With the first video (I could stomach about 45 seconds), I thought that it was just a fan vid or something set to another group's (NKOTB) song. I didn't get the impression that those boys were actually SINGING!

    Are you telling me they remade that song, or are you saying they stole it? Because it's a carbon copy; down to the note. If they are passing it off as theirs, then they need to have the shit sued out of them. It's the same damn song; vocals and all.

    Of course, this being based on the 45 seconds I watched without hurling.

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    1. Amaya, LOL boo-boo.

      I applied the NKOTB song to the video. The video is pretty much the same as the NKOTB vid, and M has indicated the lyrics to the BB song "Blue" are eerily similar to "Please Don't Go Girl."

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    2. Speaking of boy bands, are you still a fan of MBLAQ Ankh? Have you tried watching their Hello Baby episodes where they raise "multicultural children"?

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    3. Cece I saw it. Did you see that part where Mir said he wanted a "Dark" baby? On some blogs some people are saying Mir seems like he has mental/emotional problems. He was really attached to that little Lauren girl...

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    4. Every now and again, I check on MBLAQ.

      That sounds like a really weird show.

      Mir wants a dark-skinned baby (possibly Blasian), and so he must have mental problems? That's the thing about these fans, I tell you. They never fail to disappoint.

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    5. lol Ankh these KPop fans are really insane. I just laugh now. These chicks are a joke.

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    6. I give props to Se7en for having a sista on stage with him when he was in the states-->

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN71k4Q3DWo

      He's the only one I follow along with Rain.

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    7. Good for Mir!Nothing is wrong for him wanting a Blasian baby. He probably want to see something different. It would have been nice if they would have let them have one.

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    8. I have been watching Hello Baby from the start. What happened with Mir in the 1st episode is that he used a stereotypical(meant for black folks) greeting that he would say to an black child- "We can have a dark skinned baby? How should I great him? "yo… my daddy man". He was enthused about it but he went about it the wrong way (start at 3:29)-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R14yE4qGH0I&list=WL66537C7BA934F406&index=1&feature=plpp_video

      There was a discussion on Seoul Beats which I participated in-http://seoulbeats.com/2012/01/yeah-so-thats-awkward/

      The other part of it was that Mir has a facination with Lauren 4 yr old (White/Korean), which did look pedo creepy in the first couple of episodes but it has toned down now.

      The emotional/mental problems had nothing to do with him wanting a black child it was the way he interacted with Lauren.

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    9. The other part of it was that Mir has a facination with Lauren 4 yr old (White/Korean), which did look pedo creepy in the first couple of episodes but it has toned down now.

      The emotional/mental problems had nothing to do with him wanting a black child it was the way he interacted with Lauren.


      Yeah...creepy.

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    10. Nicole,

      Oh yes! I seen that clip of him. I just didn't know how gorgeous the man really was. Se7en is seriously hot. I will always be his, Rain's , JYJ, Tiger JK and other Kpop stars with an open mind.Until the industry learn how to better respect POC's, those will be the only ones from there that I will support.

      Meanie,

      Mir might have a mental/emotional disability,but it's certainly isn't from him wanting a black child,but that is calling the kettle black. The way some of those fangirls carry on about their idols, they need to be committed to the mental hospital.

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    11. "The way some of those fangirls carry on about their idols, they need to be committed to the mental hospital."

      Now this I can totally agree on! And it's why I just follow Rain or Mblaq, I can't get into that crazy fandom called Kpop. Literally it has you shaking your head and that the fans basically control these idols or they destroy them, it's makes it worse because the companies encourage the behavior.

      I'm more appreciative of the "Who gone check me boo." mindset in the US.

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  21. Thanks Meanie. I didn't see the entire show. Just a clip of the "Dark Baby" mention.

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  23. And here ladies is the other video shot in Brooklyn. Enjoy the comments...
    (open the page it'll be right there)

    http://omonatheydidnt.livejournal.com/8614589.html

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    1. I love the song and a couple of other ones on the album but lmao I can't believe they came all the way to NY to shoot this tired ass video. That video was really bad and they looked a mess.

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    2. I agree. The dancing seemed out of sync, and apparently one guy was given easier dance moves to do. TOP (I think that's the green haired guy) didn't even bother lip syncing during his part. And the outfits were straight up FAIL.

      So in general, is the idea that anything "foreign" is cool? No matter how sloppily done?

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    3. Some of those comments are priceless, lol.

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    4. I LIVE IN THAT AREA AND TAKE THE BUS THAT WAS BEHIND THEM EVERYDAY!!! Where the hell are all of the west indians ahahaha. I know someone was complaining about the bus being late smh. I dont understand. When in Rome do as the romans do. Get a darn person of other descent in the video. I am tired of seeing these caucasian women in the video and I bet you ten dollars they dont live in Brooklyn and have been in that area for the first times in their lives smh

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    5. It looked like a sad attempt(and fail) of a 90's gangster rap video.

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  24. Cece- I saw the video. I'm not going to get into GD'd track hanging down into his face or TOP's Bedazzled skull..

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    1. I wanna snatch that mess out of his head so bad and what the hell are they doing to TOP? He used to be so sexy to me, but now not so much. My friend and I had a conversation about if he's being whitened in order to appeal to the mainstream (read white) audience. If you look at him now as opposed to a few years ago, there's a definite change.

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    2. Do you mean by making him look like a bum@$$ version of a Baldwin brother, if so then I totally agree. He sort of redeemed himself with his Fubu shoot (he was attractive to me in that). Also I need him to go back to his black hair, no more aqua, no more light brown, no more flipping blonde Johnny Bravo and Zack Morris hair.

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  25. The best thing about the "Bad Boy" video was Bklyn & Taeyang (the only one who fit in). Dude can dance his ass off and left the rest in the dust. He had the attitude for the song and the city more than any ohter BB memeber. Bklyn was a character in the video, not just a backdrop.

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    1. I agree. That's why I love taeyang.

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    2. Taeyang was dancing his ass off near the end. He was really feeling it! It looked like he was doing the dougie. lol

      Speaking of doing the dougie (I know this is off topic, but I love seeing guys dougie.) This Asian kid KILLS it in the clip below:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEaC4i_fF0E

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    3. I agree Taeyang felt right at home in Brooklyn. He was enjoying himself. I just wish they'd put him in his usual uniform of a tee shirt, jeans, sneakers, and a cap. That outfit didn't do him any justice.

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    4. please tell me that guy doing the dougie is legal cause I'm starting to catch feelings

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    5. LMAO @ modest-goddess! He's a cutie isn't he?

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    6. Taeyang does have that effect LML I thought I was the only one.

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  26. Jean-bee. He was having a ball and it was so noticeable because the rest seemed disconnected. They're all a pretty charismatic bunch, but they were so lifeless in this video. I liked what Taeyang was wearing from the waist up and the timbs he was wearing were totally BK, but those jeans were atrocious. lol

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  27. I don't know if this has been discussed before, but what image of American music do outside artists have? There is a Japanese idol (from Johnny's Entertainment agency) trying to make it big over here who bases most of his image on "b-boy/gangster" culture. Some fans have gotten hold of his new album (he's signed with Warner label) a bit early and they transcribed the engrish from one of the songs....and it comes off as being about date rape and misogyny:

    http://aramatheydidnt.livejournal.com/3475605.html

    How da hell were those lyrics allowed to pass? Is this a normal phenomenon?

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    1. Ah you are talking about Akanishi Jin. That mans life is just very crazy right now (well it's always been crazy). I am not surprised.

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    2. Yes the great Bakanishi. I could have sworn the poster was trolling with the song. I didn't realize (or rather was wishing) it was real until I heard the song clip.

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    3. *dead* You wrong as hell for the 'engrish'....but Sweet Lord and Saviour, what IS that hot mess?! I know I've lost a lot of faith in music today, but this is something else. O_O

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    4. Do you think that he (and those working with him) believe that ode to his eggplant (nickname from an incident) will really fly here in the states?

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    5. Ah, the one and only Akanishi Jin. He is one hot ass mess. The dude is just not quality. He really isn't; not in any way. His music is basic, his presentation is unpolished and unprofessional & he is immature as hell for a dude pushing 30.

      I honestly don't get his appeal. I kept my eye on him because I found his break from his company to be a compelling story. The whole going after his dream thing was interesting/engaging.

      He's just a straight up knucklehead who needs to get his act together.

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    6. I listened to some of his new album on iTunes. Lenoxave ain't lyin': He is a hot mess. His lyrics are just... I actually started laughing. He's singing about his woman bringing him a hot plate while wearing heels. He obviously thinks he's the shit. Somebody done told him wrong.

      Does he write his own lyrics?

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    7. While he was in KAT-TUN, there were some songs he wrote the lyrics to that came out beautifully (mainly his Japanese solos) and others that were bleh (his engrish solos). But these lyrics were co-written and produced by him. He seems to be under a Jason Derulo's wing. Have any of you heard of Derulo before?

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    8. *facepalm* Jason Derulo sucks! LOL poor thing.

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  28. So I just found out the Wanted (I keep seeing that name everywhere) is a British boy band and not an actual BAND. Where are all these boy bands coming from all of a sudden lol

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  29. This thread is probably dead because of the new posts, but there is some new info about the JYJ abusing saesang fans thing. Apparently the authorities have gotten hold of audio evidence and you can hear them cursing and hitting the fans:

    http://omonatheydidnt.livejournal.com/8655735.html

    Just....wow...and JJ has started drinking again too...

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    1. *Forgot to add that I think both sides are in the wrong and definitely need help.

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    2. From what I gather with these Saesang fans that they are CRAZY and that they train to become a saesang! WTF! You train to become a stalker? Breaking into homes, getting the phone numbers of the idols every time they change their number, stalking them. I don't know what the laws are in South Korea about this type of stuff, but they need to do something. Idols need to hire real security, and these kpop companies need to stop encouraging this mess.

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    3. This is really disturbing. These guys need therapy and anger management classes to help them deal with a lot of these emotions they are having. JJ has a lot of repressed anger that has probably been festering for quite some time. Combine that with alcohol and you have a deadly mix. Shit is getting real...

      These crazy girls continue to get out of pocket. This can no longer be ignored. Someone is going to have to address these fangirls who think they own their Oppas. Boundaries need to be put into place. JYJ and the rest of these guys in K Pop need better security/body guards if necessary.

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    4. Found a small description and examples of what these fans are like:

      http://guixien.tumblr.com/post/18838824865/sasaeng-fans

      http://jae-in.tumblr.com/post/18844489473/what-saseng-fans-of-tvxq-have-done

      Apparently most of them are rich, upper class girls with connections and such that allow them to do these things and get away with it.

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    5. I read about the JYJ situation. I wonder why some folks in fandom are so shocked by this? K Pop is one of the most toxic, pressurized environments I have ever seen. JYJ isn't the first and won't be the last to snap under the weight of the strain. I don't excuse or condone what Yoochun/Jaejoong/Junsu have done.

      However, I think some time spent with a therapist should be a requirement for all these young people. Cube Entertainment offers up the services of a trained mental health professional for its performers. I think this should be a standard for the industry.

      These kinds of violent confrontations will continue to escalate if the entire system is not fundamentally changed. When JYJ 1st broke from SM, the one thing I really wanted them to do after they recorded their English language album, was to get the hell out of Korea.

      If I was their manager, I would've told them to reloacte for 6 monthns and re-group. All 3 are mentally/emotionally scarred and battered and they aren't the only ones. It's a damn shame.

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    6. A Chilling situation indeed... Some those fans are creepy. I completely cringed reading those descriptions... I wonder if there's even groupie situations backstage??? LML just a thought

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    7. Well, I've read that some idols sleep with saseng fans, especially if they are pretty. I won't get into how messed up that is.

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    8. I just read through this about PRIVATES (Saesang) concerning DBSK/JYJ/TVQX https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QXbyYQjPbfXtdcRF4Uh9k-2wx_VUHzfbjV80ZnwsRHg/preview?sle=true

      For whatever reason they have the most saesangs and maaaaaaaaaan this sh!t is CRAZY! Lenoxave you are right, they needed to get far away and get some therapy, because what I just read what these people do to them...It's just unreal.

      And Jean Bee if that is true and some of them sleep with them...That's just all the way F'up!

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    9. Kpop fans are crazy. Did ya'll hear about when a male fan dragged Taeyeon of SNSD off stage during a concert performance?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FE0u3gi07M

      Pure craziness. American "stans" don't compare to Kpop fans.

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    10. @Meanie- I just read that document!!! This is thee most insane shit I have ever seen! These 'Privates' need serious help...

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    11. I am reading that PRIVATE Document an all that drama is simply CRAAAAAY. I know they made a movie Mr. Idol in Korea but they need a part 2 Misses Saesang Jeez

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  30. I may have to eat my harsh words when it comes to BIGBANG featuring anyone of colour in their music videos. They went above and beyond any of my expectations and hired an all BLACK MAN Band to tour with them and play at their music show recordings. Although they may never read this I do humbly apologize because the hiring of those talented black men surpasses and crushes any negative thoughts I had about YG's strategies. Being depicted positively anywhere is something I can't help but respect. YG made the perfect move.

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    1. That's nice to hear. The creative manager for the tour is Laurieann Gibson, a Black woman. However, their presence behind the scenes does not change fan concerns over their lack of representation in front of the cameras.

      So, well done YG and there is still more work to be done.

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    2. I agree with Lenoxave. It's great, but it doesn't make up for the lack of diversity in front of the camera. If Jay Park can do it Big Bang can do it.

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    3. I don't think they want to add BW in their videos though. GD said when he saw a BW listening to his music he felt weird.

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    4. ''They went above and beyond any of my expectations and hired an all BLACK MAN Band to tour with them and play at their music show recordings.''

      Comments like this scream that you are seeking validation. Why is there such a strong need for Black people to be accepted by Big Bang. It is very creepy.

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    5. By all means you are late to the convo please troll harder

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    6. Alexis, anybody that disagrees with general consensus is a troll I guess.

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    7. So Kitty you support and listen to Big Bang knowing " GD said when he saw a BW listening to his music he felt weird." ...?

      There is nothing "creepy" about wanting to be represented.

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    8. "So Kitty you support and listen to Big Bang knowing " GD said when he saw a BW listening to his music he felt weird." ...?"

      That's the House Cassie mentality.

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    9. But I don't listen to Big Bang Hazel. It is creepy if you want people, who are not interested in you, to include you. That is sort of like forcing yourself on them.

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    10. I know what GD quote you are talking about and it was not the way you are making it seem. I saw the video it came from and he was saying it was weird as in "I didn't know a Black person would even know who we are aka we have Black fans?!" And how in the world do you know if they are interested or not? They could just be avoiding something that can cause a poop storm if they did it?

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    11. IB you got a link?

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    12. @Kitty but as fans one doesn't automatically assume an artist they like isn't interested in them. Asking for representation as a fan is not creepy or "forcing yourself on someone". I never knew about what GD said if I had I would have never started listening to their music.

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    13. BigBang does Hip Hop/R&B and has even worn hair styles that mimic African hair (afro perms, corn rows). I don't think it is unreasonable to expect some positive representation from them. And I'm no BigBang stan.

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    14. @ Kitty It would take forever to explain this subject to someone who unwilling to see, acknowledge or understand the facets of this subject. If one finds comfort in claiming that Bigbang has no interest in black folks whatsoever then please continue to drink that kool- aid. An empirical fact is that there would be no Bigbang, no good music at all if it wasn't for Black folks creative minds.

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    15. Alexis they don't seem to get this. Ankh discussed this in her post about the influence black folk have on these artists. They mention everyone from Usher to D'angelo as influences/inspiration.Yet they on youtube talkin about "Swag" and saying they don't like "Black music."

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    16. Again, whenever black women are mentioned in reference to K-Pop you get these kinds of statements about black women "forcing" ourselves on people. It never fails.

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    17. I believe that the biggest FEAR bleached minds and the white minds of certain folks face is simply the black woman being worshiped and being viewed of having great value. Then "they" as usual always pull out the card of "black women forcing themselves on others". Many people can't handle the truth.
      Many of these trolls spewing "swag" and claiming they don't like black music- come off as being white women or nonwhites with bleached minds that would like to please everyone except for the truth.

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    18. at Kitty. I'm sorry it was ages ago so I don't even remember if it was a show or radio vid to even begin to search for a link. I will say that I have no reason to make up what I said. I used to really like Big Bang so I've seen pretty much any video related to them however I never got so deep that I would start turning a blind eye to obvious red flags. I just didn't want false info to be spread. Should I remember or stumble across it I'll post it so everyone can form their own opinion.

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    19. Ah, I found it. I was wrong about it being a video (I mixed two different comments from GD)it was an interview with Asia 10 however I was right about the intent of his words.

      http://ibigbang.wordpress.com/2011/03/09/interview-g-dragons-10asia-interview-im-going-to-run-hard-from-the-beginning/

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  31. Seriously I don't care if there are black women in kpop videos. I'm not a fan of kpop to begin with, and I'd rather not see black women in weird or stereotyped roles. I'd rather see them in MVs of solo artists, popular or not, I don't care about the MVs having millions of views.
    Jay Park is no longer an idol in my opinion...he's beyond that so he has more freedom. Besides being Korean American.

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  32. Mirab'L

    Also...Jay Park might be the first kpop singer to have a black dancer in this 21st century but I don't think it is not really an "example" for other kpop idols/singers. Jay Park is no longer an idol, he's doing his own music (more freedom and artistic investment) and is Korean American. So, he's different than others in Korea. Seems like he has more balls too.

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    1. "Seems like he has more balls too"

      Agreed!

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    2. I keep forgetting he's not an idol. True, he does seen like the type that does whatever he wants.

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  33. Mirab'L

    I wanted to say that I'd rather see black women participating in good quality music, from non idol solo artists who really embrace the strong influence of black music in their stuff or are just open to diversity.
    I don't care about kpop, though Jay Park is now the exception with Rain. Let the numerous idols stay in their own thing, they're getting this fame and hype thanks to black music but in the end what they're doing is not my cup of tea and it's usually (depends on the band) more about their Asian looks than their music so I don't care if they (their label that decides on a lot of stuff for the idols) want to keep it "safe" and don't want to include black people in their music. I'm fine with it.
    Now I don't know what to think when I read "SWAG = Something We Asians Got" in Asian hip hop/RnB videos's comments on youtube but I hope that those who say that know what they're talking about.

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    1. Yeah, I agree.

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    2. Good Points Mirab'l. I agree.

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    3. I just laugh at those "SWAG" youtube comments and chalk it up to the kind of ignorant kids who think the remake is better than the original.

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  34. http://omonatheydidnt.livejournal.com/8667807.html

    So I am guessing we are back to stage 1 though??
    LMAO all this digging up people are doing is CRAZY
    I just found that article!

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    1. >_< your post popped up before mine

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  35. Did anyone read this article on Oh No They Didn't about anti-black sentiments in South Korea? (Read comments at your own risk (totally flooded with derailing, white privilege, apologists, etc).

    http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/66971666.html

    Did anyone know about this? - "V.I (Seungri) from BIG BANG is well known for saying he's glad he didn't encounter an African American in America, or he would've been SHOT."

    What do you folks think? And I'll leave this here: http://www.obstructedview.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Sisko-facepalm.gif

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    1. I am aware of the racist comment Seungri made which is the main reason I can't stan BigBang. I just hate his ass.

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    2. Three decades of blackface in Korea -http://populargusts.blogspot.com/2012/03/three-decades-of-black-face-in-korea.html

      It explains what's been going on in Korea about Blackface.

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    3. I 've read about that comment that Seungri made a while back. Unfortunately, he's the the only Kpop star to say it and I wouldn't doubt that he will be the last one in the future. Taeyon of SNSD made one about Black people to . Compared to him, she made Seungri look he's part of the NAACP.

      I'm not a Kpop fan,but I was looking at a newsstory about the group Block B. If anybody like this group and have followed the story about them, you will know that they was rightfully criticized the group for their nonchalant silliness during a Thai interview about their recent floods. The reason that this story caught my attention was the other part of that was ignored. If people really followed what was said during that interview, one of the members was talking about Hip hop rappers. He went on to say that they were ugly and monkey sounds were made after it. Though no direct racial slurs were made by them, it's doesn't take a genius to know who they were talking about.

      Yesterday,Asian Junkie had an interesting about blackface. As predicted by many on here many of these singers are now being confronted by a problem that they have been getting away with for a long time. These guys talking about going international,but I do not think that they or their management know the meaning of what international relations are because it just seems that with some of them, they say things without thinking about it. Blame it on being homogeneous country and that can play a role in it,but they have common sense.Just because you're from a homogeneous country doesn't mean you belittle others. It's like when you parents telling you about the real world..the beauty and beasts of it, it should be the same thing with Kpop. When you're exposing yourself to the world, you're playing for the world. You cant just say" I just want( fill in the race box) these people to listen to our music and shut off everybody else from it. They also have to be more cautious in what they say about others. Bad words like the ones being mentioned are definite careers killers. I don't want to hear that " Oppa didn't mean to say it"slogan( God!.. that is a excuse that should be on Ankh racial excuses list) and I'm quite sure the world don't either. There are international stars who do not always get away with this and they are no exception to this rule.

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    4. I hadn't heard about the member of BlockB making comments about black rappers. I've never listened to their music but I thought they were claiming to be more of a hip hop act. They seem to have no problem biting the hand that feeds them be it Tai fans or the black artists they copy.

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    5. MG,

      Exactly. I just happened to read an article about it on allkpop.com when I was trying to find an article while going through Tokyo Hive to find something about Crystal Kay. While he( one of the block b members didn't come out and make any direct racial slurs, but he insinuated it.If some of these Kpop artists are going to use our styles, they should respect us. Otherwise, they shouldn't even doing it.

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  36. what do they have in common?

    stone washed denim jackets and jeans?

    non black artist imitating black artist for profit?

    FYI: NKOTB is a direct clone of New Edition, same manager/creator/songwriter but guess who sold more records?

    *New Edition stan for life

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  37. And here's the ultimate irony: if you're bumping New Edition or the Jackson 5, people everywhere of varying ages will understand. They will rock with you and 80% of the time, they'll even know the lyrics.

    If you bump NKOTB or some of these K-Pop idols, depending on who you're with, you could get your ass kicked.

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  38. I know this thread is about done but I lol'd when some one posted this.

    Chad Future from Heart2Heart MV cover of Big Bangs Bad Boy.

    http://youtu.be/kJXTYIffwFg

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    1. Takes a loooooooong time for threads like these to die. So much as mention K-Pop and the discussion goes on for weeks.

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    2. Speaking of covers. A group of guys made a cover of the video featuring WoC.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vFqIAHoSjXE

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    3. Basically they did what the MV should have looked like of NY and the people who reside there. I dig it!

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